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Probiotics

Question:
Wysong, I would like to know what brand is used for the dried fermentation products that are added to some of your cat food. Thank you.

Answer:
Probiotics are not by "brand." They are identified by genus, species, and variety as indicated on our packaging and literature.

Question:
Thank you for your reply. I understand what you mean having read all the wonderful information on Wysong's web site. I apologize for perhaps not making my question clear enough. I'm assuming Dr. Wysong uses an already blended probiotic formula of the different strains and variety of probiotics he adds to some his pet foods, so the brand name would be the company Dr Wysong gets his probiotic formulas from. For instance...I take a probiotic made by Now Foods which would be the brand name of the probiotics I take which consists of the different strains Lactobacillus Acidophilus etc., and that's what I would like to know, sorry for the confusion.

Answer:
Wysong formulates its own probiotics. I cannot provide further information on sources of ingredients as that is company proprietary information.

Question:
I understand and respect that privacy, but after doing a lot of research most of these probiotics contain just to name a few... vegetable oil, corn starch, sucrose, silicon dioxide, polysorbate 80, sodium silico aluminate, and ethoxyquin, in which I don't want in my body or my pets and that is my concern and if I can't be assured in truth that none of the above or other garbage ingredients are in the probiotics Wysong formulates (even without knowing the source where they come from that's fine, but consumers have a right to know all ingredients, additives and preservatives so if that also is proprietary information then I'm not comfortable with that.

Answer:
We understand your concerns.

I will look into whether there are any such ingredients.

But I must say, that even if they were they would be at such infinitesimal amounts that they could not conceivably affect health, and would only be included to protect microbial viability. It may be a situation similar to people choosing "no preservative" foods, when the oxidation that can occur without preservatives is far more dangerous that the preservative being avoided.

Remember, "the dose makes the poison," and follow the principles in the Optimal Health Program™ for best health success http://wysong.net/wohp/.


Question:
I am just wondering if you have any suggestions for a non-anorexic or bulimic person who try's to eat healthy and who has been unable to gain weight her entire life. I am in my 40's and have recently had to contend with some food allergy issues and in the process I lost another 10 lbs that I can ill afford to lose and I am wondering which of your products might be more beneficial. I also am wondering about how well you can guarantee the life of your probiotics for dogs when they are on the pet food shelf and not in the refrigerated section as a human probiotic is in the health food store. Do you have any independent testing for live organisms of these products? I have a 14 year old dog who could benefit from your PDG or the biotic ph- but I would like to see some independent tests first. Thanks for any help you can provide.

Answer:
To answer that best we would need to have more of a feel for your diet. Also, it might be good to have a fecal examination to rule out parasites.

In the meantime, using Panzyme™ (http://www.wysong.net/PDFs/enzyme.pdf) and Probiosyn™ (http://www.wysong.net/PDFs/enzyme.pdf) to increase digestive efficiency may help. Our Protein supplement mixed in yogurt combined with UnCereal™, or in a shake with UnCereal™ may also help. (http://www.wysong.net/PDFs/proteinshake.pdf, http://www.wysonghealth.net/products/healthy-snacks-origins.php).

Unfortunately we do not have any control over how stores display our products. If you are unable to find a reliable local source, you may order directly from Wysong if you wish, as we keep the temperature sensitive products in a cooler up until shipment. Also, the short time of shipment will not hamper the effectiveness of the product. Testing has been done and there is good viability of organisms up to a year and more if kept in cool dry conditions. Liquid probiotics are much more vulnerable to degradation.


Question:
per a discussion on a cat list, someone posted this study, and I see that pet inoculant didn't fare well for having what it says it has in it? Knowing Wysong as I do, this surprises me that something icky like fortiflora would test ok and pet inoculant would not? here is the link to the study.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3003573/

Answer:
We have reviewed the link and the chart lists Wysong Pet Inoculant™ as product W, but there is no product W on the chart - there are two V's though. And, if it is assumed that the second V was supposed to be Pet Inoculant™, it isn't the same ingredients as our product because it only claims to have B. bifidum, L. lactic (sic), and L. acidophilus. The article mentions "In situations where more than one similarly appearing organism was listed on the label (multiple Lactobacillus spp.), no attempt was made to assess the numbers of different organisms because of the difficulties in accurately quantifying different species." Additionally, it is not clear how the product they tested was stored. Storage conditions can dramatically affect viability.

If this study was published in January of 2011, the actual testing was most likely conducted in 2010. We have reviewed our Pet Inoculant™ quality assurance batching sheets from 2010 and determined we incorporated the following probiotics: Bifidobacterium bifidum, Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bacillus subtilis, Lactobacillus plantarum, and Lactobacillus lactis at a rate of at least 180 million CFU/cc. Please follow this link to view the actual probiotics in the Pet Inoculant™: http://www.wysong.net/products/petinoculant-dog-cat-supplement.php.

For these reason we conclude that their assessment of our product was incomplete and misleading.

Wysong goes to great lengths to ensure its probiotics are viable and at their highest possible potency when manufactured.


Question:
I'm wondering what is the difference between Lactobacillus acidophilus and Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product. I know the Lactobacillus acidophilus is from dairy, so is the casein or whey protein somehow eliminated with the fermentation of it? My cat's blood test showed her strongly allergic to dairy, and she has improved immensely by giving her foods with no dairy.

Answer:
There is no difference other than the changing whims of what regulations require in terms of terminology. Probiotics such as Lactobacillus acidophilis are abundant in dairy products, but that is not the only source. They are also abundant in nature, including the digestive tracts of humans and animals. Wysong probiotics are grown on substrates specifically for food use, not from dairy.


Question:
I'm having trouble understanding the following ingredients as non-starch and natural to a carnivores diet:

Pea Protein, Potato Protein, Apple, Beet Pulp, Plums, Blueberries, Tomato, Oregano Extract, Sage Extract, Rosemary Extract.

Then, can you clarify whether the following are derived from the fish meal and chicken fat?

Probiotic Microorganisms (Bacillus subtilis, Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus plantarum, Lactococcus lactis, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus lactis), Ascorbic Acid, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Manganese Proteinate, Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Copper Proteinate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement.

It appears obvious that all of the above followed by the word "supplement" are not derived from the meat products.

You should be able to tell I take the diet of my cats very seriously. I'm completely satisfied with Life's Abundance, but if there is a superior diet available, I certainly want to consider it.

Answer:
Starch is a carbohydrate; it is biochemically totally unlike a protein. Epigen™ has no starches--unlike the food you are currently using--that is the point of the product.

For more information about the ingredients in Epigen™, please follow this link: http://www.wysongepigen.net/generalinfo.php?content=ingredientconcerns.

Please also see this article about fruits and vegetables: http://www.wysong.net/pet-health-and-nutrition/fruits-and-vegetables.php

The probiotics are grown (fermented) on substrates, specifically for the purpose of food use. They are not derived/extracted from fish or other sources. Please note that the use of probiotics in a dry extruded pet food without special licensing, as in the product you are using, is a violation of patent laws.

The vitamins and minerals are produced synthetically or through fermentation, as are all vitamin supplements and fortifiers. Some are contained in the fish and chicken fat.

Please also see these links for more information:

Myth of the 100% Complete Pet Food: http://www.wysong.net/pet-health-and-nutrition/the-100-percent-complete-pet-food-myth.php

Why Intermittent Feeding?: http://www.wysong.net/pet-health-and-nutrition/why-intermittent-feeding.php

How To Rotate Diets: http://www.wysong.net/pet-health-and-nutrition/how-to-rotate-diets.php

Can Pet Health Be Simple?: http://www.wysong.net/pet-health-and-nutrition/can-pet-health-be-simple.php

Also, consider signing up for our free program, The 100 Pet Health Truths. The 100 Pet Health Truths will equip you to become a discerning and educated pet owner. We have condensed Dr. Wysong's 30 years of health wisdom into 100 short and easy messages enhanced with fun graphics and videos. You will also receive coupons totaling $100 for free Wysong products interspersed throughout the program.


Question:
Subject: F-biotic questions...

Hello,

How many strains of beneficial bacteria does this product have?

Does each serving contain a minimum 20 million beneficial bacteria?

Is it GMP certified?

Please let me know, thanks!

Answer:
F-Biotic contains the following probiotics: Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bacillus subtilis, Lactobacillus plantarum , Lactobacillus lactis.

The F-Biotic has approximately 200 million CFU per teaspoon of beneficial bacteria/probiotics.

Wysong products are not GMP certified., however, they do contain at point of manufacture what is on the label and at the levels indicated.

Please consider signing up for Wysong's free program, The 100 Pet Health Truths. The 100 Pet Health Truths will equip you to become a discerning and educated pet owner. We have condensed Dr. Wysong's 30 years of health wisdom into 100 short and easy messages enhanced with fun graphics and videos. You will also receive coupons totaling $100 for free Wysong products interspersed throughout the program.


Question:
per a discussion on a cat list, someone posted this study, and I see that pet inoculant didn't fare well for having what it says it has in it? Knowing Wysong as I do, this surprises me that something icky like fortiflora would test ok and pet inoculant would not? here is the link to the study.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3003573/

Answer:
We have reviewed the link and the chart lists Wysong Pet Inoculant™ as product W, but there is no product W on the chart - there are two V's though. And, if it is assumed that the second V was supposed to be Pet Inoculant™, it isn't the same ingredients as our product because it only claims to have B. bifidum, L. lactic (sic), and L. acidophilus. The article mentions "In situations where more than one similarly appearing organism was listed on the label (multiple Lactobacillus spp.), no attempt was made to assess the numbers of different organisms because of the difficulties in accurately quantifying different species." Additionally, it is not clear how the product they tested was stored. Storage conditions can dramatically affect viability.

If this study was published in January of 2011, the actual testing was most likely conducted in 2010. We have reviewed our Pet Inoculant™ quality assurance batching sheets from 2010 and determined we incorporated the following probiotics: Bifidobacterium bifidum, Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bacillus subtilis, Lactobacillus plantarum, and Lactobacillus lactis at a rate of at least 180 million CFU/cc. Please follow this link to view the actual probiotics in the Pet Inoculant™: http://www.wysong.net/products/petinoculant-dog-cat-supplement.php.

For these reason we conclude that their assessment of our product was incomplete and misleading.

Wysong goes to great lengths to ensure its probiotics are viable and at their highest possible potency when manufactured.

Question:
I surely assumed all that you say below. Frustrating for me to hear that some study didn't think much of the pet inoculant - I tell a lot of people it is a great probiotic - I've used it for years and have had really good luck with it. A kitten of mine some time ago was struggling with terrible constipation, she was thin, huge belly, constantly impacted, I finally gave her pet inoculant and voila, she practically normalized in front of my eyes. She got sleek and never had an issue again.

Heck, you guys practically invented putting probiotics in foods and emphasizing the importance of it. I remember eons ago - probably from the first - that wysong was adding probiotics to everything and was stressing the importance of same.

Answer:
Thank you kindly for that response and your recognition of Dr. Wysong's work through the decades.


Question:
I started using the DentaTreat on recommendation and it is working very well! I was wondering if any if the supplements offered by Wysong have SBOs?

Answer:
We use a spectrum of organisms that are normal to the healthy GI tract and proven by a large body of scientific study to exert beneficial effects. Additionally, we have a 35 year history with their use in tens of thousands of humans and animals through multiple generations. Some of these organisms may be found in the soil, for example Bacillus subtilis, but organisms that are only found in the soil are suited best for the soil, not the digestive tract. As new research emerges we improve our probiotic-prebiotic formulations.

Be careful of fantastic claims about unusual products. For example, dogs and cats in the wild do not routinely pull plants by the roots so as to eat the dirt attached there. Their main source of probiotics, to begin with, is from their mother's milk and then the digestive tract of the prey they eat.